The pioneers coming in the Mayflower were legal or illegal aliens?

I guess they did not have green card. Right? Did they apply for the apache citizenship?

The pioneers coming in the Mayflower were legal or illegal aliens?
I think we need to get off what has happened in the past. It cannot be changed. This is 2007 and we have a major problem with illegal immigration in the United States.
Reply:Oh please, there was no official govt back then, we make the rules remember?!





But here's a better question, why didn't those pesky pioneers just stay home and "fix their own country"?
Reply:There was no law about immigration, so you can't call it illegal. I don't know if you can call it legal, either. It was what it was. And the Apache resided nowhere near where the Mayflower landed, by the way.
Reply:How would they be illegals, if border laws didn't exist, and illegal immigration didn't exist yet. that is just a poor comparison that pro amnesty people thought of because they don't know the history of our country.
Reply:That was the age of exploration and settling unpopulated lands. Plus there was no central government and no law against it.





The indians, and I am one, should have not welcomed them to US shores.......but........we did and that is now long in the past.





Those who came here built a unique civilization in the US. We cannot and must not give away citizenship for free to those who break our law and do not really want to become American citizens with loyalty only to America.
Reply:they were explorers, coming from civilization to a new savage world.
Reply:You are wrong...there were no US laws in order when the people came in on the Mayflower. The settlers established laws of the country and when the immigration laws were put in place, that is when they needed to be followed.
Reply:I don't think either.There were no laws back 500 years ago..OK genius.
Reply:I say they were explorer's that discover The Americas not just the US, got it?


Not need at the times any of those things= laws...
Reply:Legal
Reply:none of the above.. this land here had noone that was native born.. everyone came from some place else.. even the indians came from across from russia, china, and mexico... ask another stupid question.. by the way if you read about the indians they also wrote they didnt own the land...





you went to public school and failed didnt you.. that is really hard to do
Reply:Apache citizenship? Unlikely, since they landed in the territory of the Iroquois Confederation. The British Colonies and the Iroquois Confederation eventually did negotiate treaties that regulated such things as trade and settlements, and were Allies in wars against the French and Huron.





In the US, a great deal of land is privately owned, so the land belongs to the person who owns it. In a broader sense, the nation belongs to it's citizens. You're a citizen if you're born here, or are naturalized - it makes no difference who your ancestors were, or when they first set foot on the continent.
Reply:The Pilgrims who came on the Mayflower cannot be considered in the same context as illegal aliens because although the land was populated by indigenous people they lived without borders or established territory. The concept of a "nation" was foreign to them. By comparison, the people today who enter this country illegally do so in full knowledge that they are violating the established territory of a sovereign nation, therefore subject to prosecution under the law.
Reply:This wasn't a country at that time. There were no laws to break. Geeze, give me a break!





This is a difference time. This is a country and there are laws to break. ALL ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS FOR BREAKING OUR LAWS!!!
Reply:They were legal because there was no law on the books against them coming to America.
Reply:You need to learn more about American Indians. The Apaches were nowhere near the east coast at the time. Tribal boundaries were not always well-defined and changed as tribes fought or otherwise interacted with each other. They did not have the concept of land ownership; land belonged to God, Indians only used it, and generally claimed no "governmental rights" as countries do today.





Green cards would not have been required. Too bad certificates of health were not required either.
Reply:They were invaders.
Reply:how could thay b illegal if there was no goverment
Reply:im gonna say neither. but i do know they were crazy jesus psychos. no offense to any jesus psychos here...
Reply:Not applicable to todays issue. Todays immigration issues are based upon law, policy and prceedure, none of which were in place back then.
Reply:Uhhm they were renegade invaders more or less. Come to think of it america was created out of an invasion...
Reply:Legal,immigration laws had not yet come into play.
Reply:You are just jealous and bitter because they didn't land in your country of birth
Reply:Interesting to note you called them pioneers and not aliens or immigrants. They didn't stay and fix their country's problems because they were out exploring for new colonies for their countries. Had the Native Americans been one true nation they might have won the battle of the land.





Also interesting to note that the 1st treaty was between the colony at Plymouth and a tribe for mutual protection against other tribes.
Reply:The PIONEERS crossed the frontier in covered wagons heading west from the already settled east. The PILGRIMS arrived on the Mayflower. There was no legal or illegal status for the pilgrims, as there was no country with borders and no laws governing immigration. There were no green cards or applications for citizenship with the Apache Nation (Note: the Apache resided in the West not the East where the PILGRIMS landed). This issue isn't about the color of the skin of the citizens of this country. Or the color of the skin of those breaking the law to come into this country. This issue is simply about people breaking the law and thinking they have the right to do so, just because their own country is a mess. If you want to work in this country, apply for a Visa. If you want to become a citizen of the United States, apply for a Visa and then apply for citizenship, like everyone else has since immigration laws were passed. Some people have been waiting years to get here. What gives others the right to by-pass the laws of this nation?
Reply:As Al Gore would say, there was no controlling legal authority to tell them they couldn't come. By contrast, there was one telling them they could go (the English crown).





The Apaches were in the west. The Spanish, not the English or the French, were their problem. For the time being. The English were dealing with tribes like the Mohawks, the Iriquois, the Pequots, and other tribes native to the lands now labeled New England and New York.
Reply:they had aegis from their country, unlike the mexican invasion we are suffering through now.
Reply:not only were they aliens they were escaped convicts
Reply:native americans didn't have immigration laws, or borders for that matter. They also didn't have an economic system to worry about.





I'm not totally against immigration, by the way.
Reply:They were not legal because there were no laws. Also, the Indians did not have to worry about the Pilgrims bringing in drugs, deseases and a lower standard of living.