Monday, November 16, 2009

Would the people coming to America on the Mayflower be considered illegal aliens?

By today's standards . . .

Would the people coming to America on the Mayflower be considered illegal aliens?
Although they were not illegal immigrants in the United States considering the US did not exist at that point in time, they were in fact invading another person's land. They came to this country to escape persecution and to create a better life for themselves. Just as the Illegals who are coming over now, they had no intention of assimilating with the natives who were already here, took their resources and forced the natives onto tiny reservation slots. It's funny how it seems that history is trying to repeat itself.





So, do we allow ourselves to be over ridden by illegals and slowly fade away, or do we stand up for ourselves and put an end to this? Um...
Reply:By todays' standards, yes they would be.
Reply:No, the Pilgrims got permission from King James to land in Virginia. Which was a colony of Britain at that time. The problem was they landed in the wrong place. They landed too far north in Rhode Island. Since the King, the Virginia territory was the King's at that time, allowed them to go to Virginia they can't be considered illegal aliens.
Reply:yes
Reply:1620 - There were no written laws, no republic, etc.


I doubt those pilgrims were illegal. Its not as if they were fought off at the ship. Dumb question.
Reply:Nobody knew they were coming. The indians had no government and did not know of there arrival until weeks later.





Peace,
Reply:Still playing the old Mayflower card. LOL! The more that's brought up,the more desperate illegals and their supporters sound.
Reply:No ,just greedy
Reply:No b/c there was no government in place, lol
Reply:No, by today's standards, those people on the Mayflower would be considered "conquerors."
Reply:It depends on whether they were seeking asylum or not.





Maybe you should ask if Elian Gonzalez tried to come here again, would Janet Reno drown him?
Reply:No, there was no central government that controlled immigration back then.
Reply:yes
Reply:if they can swim three miles then yes
Reply:yes. someone a few years ago had a political cartoon about that. its was funny, my history instructor brought it into class
Reply:I am certain the OPs (Original People) would consider this as true.


Were there any blacks, including slaves, on the Mayflower???

no. They were whites from the Scrooby congregation.

Were there any blacks, including slaves, on the Mayflower???
No
Reply:No but there was a Jewish man and family and friends. And he was also a crew member. There were sicilians that rowed and they were dark with suntans and slaves too, but they were sicilians? Irish slaves too.
Reply:no
Reply:http://members.aol.com/calebj/passenger....


I don't think so.
Reply:I would think so.
Reply:Not likely. The first black slaves are recorded as having been brought over just 12 years later though in 1619.


What was the passenger's expectations on the mayflower of what they might find in the new world?

This is really exciting.





I am involved in a study of the Mayflower Passengers and the Mayflower Compact. My ancestors, Fullers, Alden, and two others, came over on that ship. Having left England and traveled to Holland seeking religious freedom they then traveled to America, seeking a place that would offer freedom from the despotic rule of England and it's church.





Their expectations, from what I understand, were to remain where they landed and to harvest new lives. Not many know, but the Pilgrims came with their own boat stored in the hull of the Mayflower expecting to use it for fishing as well as exploration. When they unloaded it much damage was discovered. That damage came from the young, single males who used it to sleep in, on and around. Nevertheless, after repairs were made, and for the year these stalwart men and women, along with their children continued to use the ship as 'home' the little boat proved it's worth.





My ancestor's came not for political power, but to be able to worship God the Father as they understood He desired to be worshiped.

What was the passenger's expectations on the mayflower of what they might find in the new world?
They probably expected a wild, green uninhabited land where they could build their own homes and farm their own land without having to answer to the king, etc. They certainly were brave adventurers to get on a big rickety old boat and cross the ocean.
Reply:They are so unbelievably holy what they expect is surely what they'll find

ada

Why were the Virginia House of Burgesses, the Mayflower Compact, and the John Peter Zenger trial significant?

any details are important

Why were the Virginia House of Burgesses, the Mayflower Compact, and the John Peter Zenger trial significant?
Virginia House of Burgesses – First American legislative assembly (Jamestown, 1619)





Mayflower Compact – First American constitutional document (Plymouth, 1620)





John Peter Zenger trial – Established the principle of freedom of the press (New York, 1735)


I saw a movie, on TV about the Mayflower crossing, the crossing seemed genuine, but the meeting with the?

Indians seemed like a lot BS and 21st century political correctness, anyone else agree?

I saw a movie, on TV about the Mayflower crossing, the crossing seemed genuine, but the meeting with the?
I didn't see it, but the History Channel tends to fudge a lot of details. Read a book about the Pilgrims, don't trust the TV, even if its the History Channel.
Reply:Hollywood





Need I say more?
Reply:What they won't tell you in the history books is what a FIASCO


the whole thing was, right up to where the British kicked


the Dutch out of New Amsterdam (New York).





The history books always say that the dutch got manhattan from


the Indians for $26 worth of beads. But they neglect to tell you that the British got manhattan at gunpoint from the Dutch for $1.





The Dutch were terrible administrators and needed the help of the forthright British if they were going to make a go of it.





As far as the indians were concerned, it wasn't like they'd never seen a white man before. They'd been trading furs for ages with the white man and Plymouth was just another fort for trading as far as they were concerned. These pilgrims just dressed funny.


Besides, half of them died and the rest left the next spring.


On average, how many pilgrams were on the Mayflower?

My nephew was just curious. He is seven years old.

On average, how many pilgrams were on the Mayflower?
During the first winter in the New World, the Mayflower colonists suffered greatly from diseases like scurvy, lack of shelter and general conditions onboard ship. 45 of the 104 emigrants died the first winter. Additional deaths during the first year meant that only 53 people were alive to celebrate the first Thanksgiving.[1] Of the 18 adult women, 13 died the first winter while another died in May. Only four adult women were left alive for the Thanksgiving.[2] Includes date of death, where recorded.
Reply:On average??
Reply:119
Reply:Wikipedia lists the full complement of people aboard the Mayflower's one visit. Please note, however, that not all are Pilgrims. Richard Warren, for example, was aboard as representative of the London merchants who helped bankroll the voyage.


What where the people who were signing the mayflower compact agreeing to and why?

if you can, a website would be helpful. also if you can consider this:





what bound them together?

What where the people who were signing the mayflower compact agreeing to and why?
Of the 102 passengers aboard the Mayflower, about 1/2 died that first winter. What bound them together? Only half of them were religious; the other half were "strangers", or what I would call atheists.


Check: www.RevJohnRobinson.com for starts. Also, from google: http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/fact...


Trouble is, this last site is not correct: "Pilgrims" were not a part of the "Puritans". These terms were invented by school teachers; they did not call themselves either of those names, but were sometimes, back in the 1500s and 1600s, known as "Separtists", because they wanted to separate from the State Church.


At least 3 of those passengers (the religious half) were my ancestors.
Reply:I believe the Mayflower Compact was a document that spelled out a basic governing body and set of laws agreed upon by the Pilgrims who came to America on the Mayflower.

addis

Was there a ship that came before the Mayflower? What was it called, who was on it? What year did it come over

Here is a site which mentiones a ship Marigold going to Virginia in May 1619.

Was there a ship that came before the Mayflower? What was it called, who was on it? What year did it come over
The English who settled Jamestown in 1607 arrived on three ships, the Susan Constant, the Godspeed, and the Discovery. In 1608 the John %26amp; Francis and the Phoenix arrived at Jamestown. The Mary %26amp; John arrived in 1609 and another ship bound for Jamestown, the Sea Venture, was lost near Bermuda. I have never heard of a later ship named the Marigold but there could have been one.
Reply:Yes look on the net www.history.com


Leif Eriksson the Viking was before the Mayflower and the rest of them. He obviously could have taken all this credit that everyone else has, but where is the profit? What does it matter now. The only thing he did not do is claim that he found an occupied land and slaughtered the people who were the natural inhabitors. Americas Vaspuchas never landed here he only made maps.
Reply:http://en.wikipedihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Ponce_... Found a link mentioning the Marigold.
Reply:I don't know the name of the ship, but the first English expedition to reach the shores of the present USA was John Smith %26amp; the Virginia Company settlers that founded Jamestown in 1607. The Puritan Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock, MA in 1620. Columbus had stumbled upon the the Bahamas %26amp; Hispaniola in 1492/93, and of course, the first Europeans to reach North America PERIOD were Leif Erickson and the Vikings at L'anse Aux Meadows, Newfoundland. Don't know what year that was, but it was way earlier
Reply:I assume you are asking whether a ship bearing would-be colonists came before 1620 (Plymouth) to the Cape Cod area. I don't know about that, but a fair number of ships had sailed from Europe to that area and surrounding areas to fish commercially. These expeditions did not colonize. Jamestown, Va was 1607, and Massachusetts Bay was 1630. St. Augustine was the first European Colony. We tend to think the Mayflower was the first, but that's not so. Have you read Mayflower by Nathan Philbrick? A great book. Sorry I don't have absolute info right this minute. I hope you will research this family legend.
Reply:yes there was another ship that got here before mayflower. it was a viken named america vespuchi or somethin like that. don't know the ships name though. america wasn't acutally discovered by columbus. was discovered by a viken.


Were cows and goats brought over on the mayflower in 1492?

i was told cows and goats and possible pigs are NOT native to north america is this true?

Were cows and goats brought over on the mayflower in 1492?
There were NO animals on the Mayflower, which sailed out of Plymouth Harbor, in August of 1620.
Reply:columbus was 1492


Mayflower in 1620





Imagine the smells on either one. phew
Reply:Yes, some animals were brought over
Reply:Short answer, yes, the colonists did bring livestock with them, cows and goats and pigs and probably sheep too.


Why didn't the Pilgrims ( people on the mayflower ) stay in England and make it better for themselves?

I hear a lot of people say if illegal immigrants want a better place to live then they should make their country, Mexico , a better place and fix the problems there instead of coming here. My question is why didn't the pilgrims do that instead of coming here.

Why didn't the Pilgrims ( people on the mayflower ) stay in England and make it better for themselves?
we all make mistakes!
Reply:The pilgrams were also looking for religious freeedom.They went across the ocean to start a new country.These illegal are coming to the United States and refusing to adapt to our ways.


Do we really want a group of people in our country who are so stupid that they can't take a hint that we don't want them here?
Reply:After being kicked out of England they lost the chance to continue to try.


Also the Indian tribes and nations had no laws regarding the immigration onto the North American continent.





Nice try, but they did it the legal way. Get it through your thick skull.
Reply:Well they were going to do that, but King George kept beheading all their friends. So they had to move to another continent.
Reply:If you're unwilling or unable to take up arms and whip an oppressive regime, then you'd better leave. Mexico is an entirely different situation. It just hasn't developed enough industry so that its people can live well.
Reply:They Were Kicked Out Of England


And Sent To The "New World"





Later


They Wrote The Declaration Of Independence


And Fought The British For The "New World"
Reply:The Pilgrims (aka Puritans or Separatists) were being forced to worship under "The Church of England" and were either fined or jailed if they did not attend the services. They decided that they could not change the church from within to rid it of Catholic teachings (which was their goal) they separated from the Church (hence the name Separatists).





So, since Virginia had been formed as a colony, they decided to get a charter to a new colony and practice their religion there. They got the charter and the person who wrote the charter forgot to include the fact that they had to worship The Church of England, so they headed out and started the Massachusetts Bay Colony which would later be simply called Massachusetts as we know it today.





Upon arrival they set up their churches and towns, except they didn't have the separation of church and state. Infact, the 2 were purposely interlinked. The head of the colonial Puritan church also ran the government and preceded over the courts and was the judge in the big trials such as the trials of Anne Hutchinson and Roger Williams.





Speaking of those 2 names, people here in the MBC were forced to worship Puritan views. Anyone who disagreed with them would be subject to expulsion from the colony and set into the uncharted territory of what is now the New England area.





The same thing applies to Mexico, except in a different way. The workers are all rather inexperienced but hard working, such as road construction people or construction workers.





Since there is the dense population of them in Mexico competition for the jobs there is high and only the most skilled get to work, the rest are/remain unemployed.





So they come here to work since there is an almost endless need for such jobs as our population is about to hit 300,000,000 from the effects of many things. Our economy is better, our country pays better, and we give them more health care and things like it, so they naturally decide to come over here since it's not easy to start a country all over again let alone a Church like the Pilgrims way back when.
Reply:They were ejected from England. And besides, have you ever eaten British food?
Reply:It was a lot different back then. You didn't have a choice in who you are like today.... a long boat ride sounded better than a be-heading or burned at the stake.
Reply:They were bored.
Reply:Their religion was considered heresy by the church of England and they would have been imprisoned or put to death if they had been found out. So, most moved to the netherlands to prepare for their trip.





Only half of the 102 original pilgrims (and crew) survived the first year.





About 10 years after their trip, the church of England changed to puritainism, and had they waited, they never would have needed to go.





The Pilgrims were hardly proponents of religious freedom, and when a non Puritain sect moved in nearby a few years later they went to war with them. No- they were quite the right wing militant bunch. Miles Standish was a brutal, tough and brilliant military commander.
Reply:Not all the people on the ship were fleeing a bad life ,some were ,but some were looking for fortune and adventure.England was bad for some people but it was not corrupt.There is a huge difference in the time frame and so it cant be honestly compared and any thinking person would see that.England was a monarchy and its difficult to fight the king or queen at least in those days.


You are trying to compare legal people to illegals and you cant do that in any logical way .nice try tho


What are the Milestone Political Documents from the MayFlower Compact to the Constitutional Convention?

Sorry, you'll have to go through several chapters in your book to get this information. The names of the really important documents will be within the text in italics or bold or they will be in a subheading. So just skim through to find them, then list them and paraphrase the most outstanding thing or things that each document did.

larry

Why did people comw from england on the mayflower?

For england project. :)

Why did people comw from england on the mayflower?
Because England sucked with it's Anglican Church.
Reply:Because the bloke with the compass got lost.
Reply:Actually, I think they came from Holland.





They did not want to belong to the established church (paid for by the government, and everyone was required to belong--see our First Amendment about establishment of religion). The government persecuted them fiercely, so they fled to Holland where they could worship freely. However, their children were picking up secular attitudes, and they didn't want that, so they fled to the New World.





There were originally two ships, as I recall, but one sank shortly after they left. It was very dangerous to go that distance alone, because they had no one to help them if they got in trouble, but they had already paid their money and were desperate, so they continued.
Reply:Religious freedom.
Reply:The "Sunflower" was booked.
Reply:to start a new life in an uncrowded country
Reply:The people who traveled on the Mayflower had been living in Leiden in Holland. They had separated from the Church of England (thus the name Separatist they were Puritans who denied the authority of bishops and wanted total separation from the Church of England.This, began during the reigns of Elizabeth I (1558-1603) and James I (1603-1625.They desired to have freedom of religion and they took issue with the State church (Anglican/church of England )They represented determined Calvinist reformers working to "purify" Church of England so as to be consistent with Calvinist principles.


The travelers on the Mayflower were a varied group of Puritans who as said had clear religious concerns and Pilgrims who may or may not have been as serious about their religious lives but wanted a new life in a new world. They consisted of artisans (coopers and the like) who brought both their tools and their knowledge to the New land. They arrived in what is now Provincetown in the late Fall of 1620 and ultimately settled in what we know as Plymouth MA (Plimoth Colony). This group of men wrote the Mayflower Com,pact (precursor to our Constitution)


The History Channel has an excellent video of the whole story and Nathaniel Philbrick has a new book "Mayflower" May 2006


This is excellent info and a good read.


What game did they play on the Mayflower?

See the list below.

What game did they play on the Mayflower?
What kind of games did Pilgrim kids play? Did they play any games that kids today do? Did they do chores?


Pilgrim children played lots of games. They played a version of marbles called knickers (you can see two girls playing knickers in the book Sarah Morton's Day), dolls, make-believe, a game like soccer with anything that would roll. They also fished and climbed trees and built forts. Pilgrim children were like children today - they could make up fun things to do with the things they had around them.


Why has laura bush moved into the mayflower hotel?

is georgie drinking again.........

Why has laura bush moved into the mayflower hotel?
Bah like she needs a reason. Her husband is GW, his arrogance probably annoys even her.
Reply:She is dreaming of an interlude with a caveman
Reply:She found out about his affair with Condi.
Reply:Post link or shut up.
Reply:Sounds like a made up story. Facts....????????


How was alice mullins life before the mayflower?

Very little is known about Mrs. Alice Mullins. She is named in the will of William Mullins, which he had written for him on the day of his death, 21 February 1620/1. A number of sources claim her name was Alice Atwood, or Alice Poretiers, but these claims have no basis.

How was alice mullins life before the mayflower?
http://members.aol.com/calebj/mullins.ht... the only information seems to be from the life of her husband William Mullins. I hope this helps.
Reply:Why don't you do a search on Alice Mullins? Or are you thinking someone will know and do your Homework? for you? Like who would know her life much less know that she was one of the passengers with her husband William and several children on the Mayflower. She and her husband both died the first year in the New Country ,her husband,William preceding her. I couldn't find much of anything on her except born in 1575 around Dorkey,Surrey,England.Considering that just about all were on the Mayflower and the other 2 ships to find a better life in the New World doubt her life was that great-probably poor and in those days in England and most European countries the poor were very poor with no chance of improving very much their lot in life. Why starting over in the New World would draw them for it was a chance for opportunity-where in England there were none only the same old drudgery day after day. One of her daughters, Priscilla married John Alden-made famous in a poem. I asked the question Who was Alice Mullins to get the little info that I passed on to you.

Chemicals

Did your descendents come over on the MAYFLOWER?

Yes, this is very wrong. What is your answer? Please provide any family folklore or stories that would back up your claim. Don't correct me, or you will be disqualified for ruining my fun.

Did your descendents come over on the MAYFLOWER?
My mother, whose maiden name was Brewster, tells me that we are decendents of Rev.William Brewster, who was on the Mayflower. I have no way of verifying this, and I suspect that it might be made up, but who knows?
Reply:No, I came over on Flying Tiger Airlines that had propellers. My great ancestor the Marquis de Marchand went from France to England in 1066 with William the Conqueror.
Reply:I don't have descendants. I'm childless
Reply:It depends....Were there Latinos on the MAYFLOWER? if no, then there go my hopes. ;-)
Reply:My answer is No ,but are you going somewhere with this question??
Reply:how the hell should i know.
Reply:NO
Reply:No, my family came from the Dakota Sioux tribe and I have no children...
Reply:sometimes the way I feel it seems that my ancestors came from off -planet .....what system.........I don't know
Reply:Yes my children went to that resturant last week.
Reply:Descendants are your offspring. You would mean "ancestors" ar "antecedants" or "are you a descendant of someone on the Mayflower ?"





Apparently I am disqualified. FUN FUN
Reply:no
Reply:Do you mean ancestors? If my ancestors/descendants (past) went over on the Mayflower, then they returned... my future descendants may have partly come from such folks...
Reply:I AM A DESCENDANT.....okay I know what you meant.no I got here by way of air.however I am told that my family did spend some time on ships with sails and rowers.I am dutch and aside from the spice trades we also dabbled quite lucratively in the ever shameful slave trade.sorry it wasn't me.and no I am not proud.


What channel is Oscar de la Hoya -Mayflower on tonight?

PAY PER VIEW

What channel is Oscar de la Hoya -Mayflower on tonight?
I didn't know de la Hoya was fighting a pilgrim!
Reply:Its on PPV by HBO .. Go OSCAR !!!!
Reply:pay per view
Reply:It's pay-per view. I think it is HBO. 9pm ET.


Go Oscar!!!!


Bush marriage on rocks? Laura staying at Mayflower Hotel. Rumor he is having affair with Condi Rice. I am not?

making this up. Not only trusted sources like the irrational inquirier, but others more reputabale have been paintilng a picture about the disintegrating marriage of Laura and George. Condi Rice once introduced W as her husband(stopped short of saying it) and described Crawford as her second home. Gives whole new meaning to domestic affairs for a Secretary of State. It is likely that his previous drinking habits have not been previous but current. There does seem to be a strain between the first couple.

Bush marriage on rocks? Laura staying at Mayflower Hotel. Rumor he is having affair with Condi Rice. I am not?
No, I don't believe it but that is HILARIOUS!!
Reply:Picture this, Condi and Bush doing the nasty, kind of dull porn wouldn't you think. Repuglicans only do it in the missionary fashion for procreation purpose's only I would think it would be more exciting to watch two apples go at it.
Reply:I love your "trusted" source idiot.
Reply:Who Cares??????????????????????????
Reply:You sound like a very small person, with an even smaller brain. This is just crap, it doesn't even qualify as liberal crap.
Reply:Even the best relationships show strain once in a while


No I don't believe their marriage is on the rock and you knew before you asked he is not having an affair with Condi Rice or anyone else


What are some amazing facts about the Mayflower?

You'll find lots of good information here:


http://www.mayflowerhistory.com/History/...

What are some amazing facts about the Mayflower?
The Separatists 1st, commissioned the "Speedwell" but it sank before getting out of their British Harbor.





Only 40 of the 200 passengers were actual "Pilgrims" the rest were added to help with the enormous costs.





They left the 6th of September, 1620. And arrived @ Port at Provinctown Harbor on November 11, 1620.. (that's 66 days)





In America the English claim was called "Virginia" There were two companies established to promote settlement in these "plantations"


The London Virginia Company held the lands from what is today North Carolina to New Jersey.


The Plymouth (Devon) Virginia Company had New York to Maine.


King James granted permission to settle Virginia from the "London Company" The Puritans were to land no further North, than Present day New Jersey.


...but instead landed North. Therefore OUT of James' jurisdiction.





There were two deaths, (%26amp; one near death) on the Mayflower.


John Howland almost died when he was swept overboard, but was rescued.





The two that died, one was a sailor, i couldn't locate his name. The other a Servant of Samuel Fuller.





There was one birth at sea. Elizabeth Hopkins had a son, Who was named Oceanus.





Another baby, was born to Susanna White during the several weeks the Mayflower lay in Provincetown harbor. That child was Peregrine White.





King James was VERY reluctant to honor the "Mayflower Compact" but eventually did so, to avoid an uprising. (of course, 155 years later the revolution began)





I'll sign this one,


~S. Wynn


Daughter of the American Revolution


AND


13x great granddaughter of Samuel Fuller (a signer of the Mayflower Pact.)
Reply:The most interesting thing to me is that they were planning to go farther south but stopped when they ran out of beer. Now that's an emergency!
Reply:It did not have staterooms, bathrooms, ballrooms, an engine or radar. I could go on and on, but you get the picture. If you need this for an assignment, I've given you a pretty good start.

miriam

Who was the religion leader on the Mayflower?

When the Leiden church congregation decided to send the first wave to set up and establish a colony that everyone could eventually move to, their pastor John Robinson decided to remain behind in Leiden with the majority of the congregation, intending to come later. The smaller group that went on the Mayflower desired the next highest ranking church official, Elder Brewster, go with them; so he agreed. He brought his wife Mary and two youngest children, Love and Wrestling, on the Mayflower with him.





Brewster continued his work as Church Elder throughout his life at Plymouth Colony. His wife Mary died in 1627, and he never remarried. He lived to be nearly 80 years old, dying in 1644. Shortly after he died, William Bradford wrote a short but concise biography of Brewster, just a couple pages, in his history Of Plymouth Plantation.

Who was the religion leader on the Mayflower?
http://www.answers.com/main/ntq-tname-wi...


william brewster


Why did the piligrams draw up the mayflower compact?

It was drafted by the Pilgrims who crossed the Atlantic aboard the Mayflower in order to have religious freedom.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_C...

Why did the piligrams draw up the mayflower compact?
During the pilgrims time. Slavery was at its peak. Africans were being brought over to the colonies. the Pilgrims came over for religious freedom.





The Atlantic Slave Trade. ever heard of it? well. that was going on. and the Mayflower was nothing of that sort. The Portuguese came over the the Americas looking for new land to conquer and for room to form plantations. Sugar, tobacco, all that good stuff. the Pilgrims settles in the Tobacco area Im. pretty sure. close enough.
Reply:To establish some organization and structure to their venture.


Weren't all the people on the mayflower like Christopher Columbus an illegal immigrant?

And how about the "brave" pioneers that headed west to homestead land wernt they illegal immagrents? How come the united states do what we want when we want and how we want.


But no one else can. Who designated us as god? Owner of the lands and nature? Who saved the poor indians from our slaughter of them? We take and then set laws up to protect us from the very thing we did. Or start wars because someone else has the same agenda.Or tries to run their lands the way they see fit. How come america doesnt have to play by the same rules? Because we have a bigger, stronger military? We say we are the home of the free and brave. I think this land is not free it was stolen. And the forefathers of this land were not brave they were lying murdereing terriorists.That is why I am not proud to be an american. People say if you dont like the way we live go to a deserted island or iraq and youll see how it is.My answer if there was an deserted island we already would have stolen it.

Weren't all the people on the mayflower like Christopher Columbus an illegal immigrant?
Agree I do :)
Reply:The pilgrims were EXPLORING and ESCAPING religious persecution.. There was no formal government established in the continental United States when they arrived.. If there had been, they would have been taken into custody and deported..
Reply:Everything is summed up in one word: FEAR





FEAR of someone doing to USA (America is the whole continent not just the country) what they did originally


FEAR of losing power


FEAR of loosing money


FEAR and more FEAR.





Why do you think USA citizens are so concerned about safety insurance what if's security. They make discalimers policies everything to protect themselves. What are they so afraid of? What they see on the news? Everything happens everywhere accept it. In Canada the doors anre not locked. In Central America people play outside and guess what? THEY DONT DIE bcs of a mosquito bite.


FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR is the "American" way.





Turn the TV and the computer off and live a little.





You should check some material from Michael Moore. Very interesting stuff.
Reply:they were thieves who worked for the King ,and the King changed their status to conquerors ,for political reasons.





the people on the Mayflower just came and squatted their status was changed from land grabbers to settlers because the crown profited by them





and to say that there was no formal government in the US at that time is a lie ,


the Native Americans were very organized in Government and politics ,but they did not have the sophisticated weapons that the Europeans had.


and their official histories brought forwards by stories and songs, went back way before the European history.


the Hopi talk about ice ages and a global reversal of the Suns movements


and the Mayflower settlers or Columbus were not the first visits.Irish priests and Vikings and it is said even Phoenicians ,had all been there before but they just came to visit not to steal.





And the Spanish Soldiers in Mexico were even worse in their


treatments of Native Americans,so this cannot be a defense for Mexican illegal aliens,look also into that sordid past.they destroyed a very sophisticated civilization,


murdered thousands of people ,





the church by handing out contaminated blankets,killed even more .


destroyed all the records ,literature,art religion,every thing,the principal motive being the theft of gold .
Reply:Those immigration laws did not exist then.





But, I agree with your point. This is God's land. Who are any of us to say who lives where.





However, you must consider that over the years, we have all set up our economy system, and for the most part, it somewhat works for us, or at least it is what we are comfortable with. And aliens to our country who do not abide by our rules, tax laws, etc. can hurt our economy greatly.





Even God, in the Bible, recognizes the fact that there were aliens to the nations (people who migrated to one land from another) and they did not, necessarily, get the full rights of natives of the land.
Reply:Christopher Columbus didn't come over on the Mayflower.
Reply:Did Columbus and his crew come to settle or just to explore - didn't settlers come later? I get the drift of what you are trying to say and the point you are making, however!
Reply:TIME is the difference. At that time there were NO laws governing who came and who went. Get up to speed by reading an American History Book.
Reply:christopher columbus didnt come on the mayflower, dumbass
Reply:Actually, Columbus wasn't an immigrant, but an explorer. He never settled in the Americas. The Mayflower passengers weren't illegal immigrants, because they were British citizens who traveled to Massachusetts, which was then a British colony. I agree with a lot of what you say, but I just thought I would clarify these things. Also, although I'm not proud of every aspect of my country's history and I hate the current president for what he is doing to the U.S. and the rest of the world, I'm still proud to be an American. We have a very flawed past and present, but our Constitution is what makes us great and our government has been a model for systems in other parts of the world. There is a reason why our Constitution is the longest enduring written constitution in history. It works.
Reply:If you hate it then leave. You have no idea how horrible it is everywhere else. That's why ppl want to come HERE, because they know it's better. You can sit in your safe home and type all this crap because our country allows you to. If you lived in China they would have executed you and billed your family for the bullet!


And all the ppl that did the killing were horrible and itr was a sad time for our country, but it was CENTURIES ago, we have made ammends GET over it.


It can't make it go away, but we have given the native americans land and money and still give them money to this day.


There are many a deserted island that we have NOT taken, we are not land grabbers. The days of imperialism are OVER. you forget ENGLAND was the biggest cause of that! ENGLAND came to the US and did all those horrible things. our forefathers REBELLED agains their oppressibve government. Maybe the illegals should try that!
Reply:im·mi·grant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-grnt)


n.


A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.





You are right. The early Americans wiped out a nation of people with no shame. They thought it was their right. They were chosen by God or something to wipe out the heathens. Which is sad.





I am not so much proud to be an American. I'm proud to be me. And I'm from America, so since I was raised here America is part of who I am.





Our history is a bloody one, especially since we are such a young country. The thing is, that we don't have to repeat it. But we are. The reason we are is because whoever is in power decides what we are taught about history... think about it, if Germany had won the war they would have written how they conquered the evil Jews. And people would still think of Jewish folks as bad (at least over there). While they tell us about the killing of the idians, they don't tell us everything. So, we can't learn from past mistakes if we don't know all of them.





And you're right, we would have stolen a deserted island, thrown some hotels up on it, made a killing and then abandoned it when the tourists stopped coming. But in our defense.... so would every other country.
Reply:No, they weren't illegal immigrants because there were no laws in place to govern immigration. Big difference!
Reply:The laws pertaining to immigration were not in effect when Christopher Columbus first came upon America. The whites establish laws known today. But if any Mexicans want to become citizens than become a citizen just like any other foreign group such as the Chinese, Vietianese, Russians, and so or, but do the same as they have done. Do it the legal way. My two cents.
Reply:christopher columbus wasn't on the mayflower. and the people who came here weren't illegal immigrants because there was no recognized nation-state here.
Reply:no they were not immigrants they where white...


theres a difference


What do the magna carta and the mayflower compact have in common?

They both start with an "m".

What do the magna carta and the mayflower compact have in common?
written by englishman? writen on paper? they used a pen? had to do with the rights of an englishman.

irene

Do you like my poem about the Mayflower Compact?

*****





In the name of God, Amen.


In men, with names unwritten


For our sovereign, James


Virginia we claim, for the King!


In the year…Anno. Dom. 1620





Covenant and combined together,


Civil Body Politick named.


Proclaimed, order and preservation,


We hereby enact, constitute and frame


A just set of laws of equality





At Cape Cod on November 11th


A promise we make to the King,


Your obedient and submissive colony


All for thee, Lord of Brittan, France and Ireland,


Our Sovereign, fret not, we’re so far away.





*****

Do you like my poem about the Mayflower Compact?
And now we have another Sovereign Lord. November 11 is such an important day in our history--the signing of the Japanese surrender on the 11th month, the 11th day and the 11th hour. How ironic is this! As for the poem itself, it makes me sad. You've expressed the irony so well. Thank you.
Reply:And was THAT ever written tongue-in-cheek!





But, well documented and oh-so-well written! You do excellently great! with history poems!!!





Elysabeth...poemhunter
Reply:Enjoyable %26amp; informative as usual.
Reply:don't put your poems on here people could try to steal them unless you have them copy righted. it's ok seems a bit stale for my taste.
Reply:Good stuff, Maynerd. Hey, that other guy seemed to have good advice. Someone could lift your poem, claiming it was theirs unless you had it copy written.


Who is capatain christopher jones of the mayflower and what did he do?

where did he go? how did he die? please provide sources if you got your info from the internet or book.

Who is capatain christopher jones of the mayflower and what did he do?
Mayflower and Christopher Jones arrived back in England in May 1621 after transporting the Pilgrims and their cargo to Northern Virginia in 1620. Jones then took the Mayflower on another trading run to France later that year, but died shortly thereafter, in March 1622.





He was buried at St. Mary's Cathedral in Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Reply:Hello. I know only that Christopher Jones lived in Harwich England (my home town) and took the Mayflower to America. He was married twice and had 9 children. All but the first were by his second wife. His first wife was Sarah Twitt of Harwich. He fell sick after returning from America in 1620 and died from his illness in 1620. He was buried March 6th 1621.


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Whern the Ninjas came over on the Mayflower did they have their own Dojo on the boat?

My History teacher is a little scetchy on the details about this, She just stares at me when I ask; could You help me please?

Whern the Ninjas came over on the Mayflower did they have their own Dojo on the boat?
Yeah...they had their own Dojo...right up until the Pirates attacked them and destroyed it.





The Puritans didn't really land at Plymouth...it was pirates.





Pirates, being way cooler than ninjas, were able to easily defeat their natural enemies.
Reply:LOL!!!!!!!!! I can understand why.
Reply:They hid in the scuppers and snuck out at night. some where probably camped out in the bilge but not many.
Reply:EVERYONE knows the Ninjas came over on the Titanic.....
Reply:Well, everyone knows that Ninjas have special powers.....DUH! They activate their Dojo by pouring a little hot water over a tiny statue...then when they are done...they blow their breath over to miniaturize it again! Those sneaky Ninjas..! Ahhh...good times..!
Reply:you are confusing real ninjas with the mutant nionja tutrles who came out on the mayflower


What was the real resone for the mayflower compact?

"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e%26amp;. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."





There followed the signatures of 41 of the 102 passengers, 37 of whom were Separatists fleeing religious persecution in Europe. This compact established the first basis in the new world for written laws. Half of the colony failed to survive the first winter, but the remainder lived on and prospered.

What was the real resone for the mayflower compact?
Unfortunately, just pasting a copy of the document does not answer the question (voters, please read!) But Governor Bradford DID write, at least twice, to explain the reason -- see my answer below. Report It

Reply:The basic reason was concern about a mutinous contingent in the group that had claimed they were not bound by the 'patents' the Puritans had from the Virginia Company (partly because they had landed elsewhere than originally planned):





William Bradford himself explained this. First, in "Mourt's Relation":





"This day before we come to harbor, observing some not well affected to unity and concord, but gave some appearance of faction, it was thought good there should be an Association and Agreement that we should combine together in one body; and to submit to such Government and Governors as we should, by common consent, agree to make and choose, and set our hands to this that follows word for word."





In his Historie (Mass. ed. p. 109), he spells it out more explicitly:





"I shall a little returne backe and begin with a combination made by them before they came ashore, being the first foundation of their governments in this place; occasioned partly by the discontent %26amp; mutinous speeches that some of the strangers amongst them [i.e. not any of the Leyden contingent] had let fall from them in the ship -- That when they came ashore they would use their owne libertie: for none had power to command them, the patents they had being for Virginia, and not for New-England which belonged to another Government, with which the London [or First Virginia Company] had nothing to doe, and partly that such an acte by them done . . . might be as firm as any patent, and in some respects more sure."
Reply:To be on the same page so there is no turning back. Imagine being on that boat and you change your mind and go back to England and be a slave.
Reply:Continuing with the above...note that their royal charter was for Virginia--not valid where they were.

Wisdom Teeth

Who won oscar de la hoya or mayflower or wuteva his name is?

Mayweather

Who won oscar de la hoya or mayflower or wuteva his name is?
Mayflower!!!!!!!!!!!!! because peace in may can bring any enemy down, and flowers are healthy to eat? oh flowers could make every girl happy.....





weird huh?
Reply:Mayweather over Golden Boy by split decision....dang...sucks that oscar lost but mayweather won fair and square i think.......now for the rematch....more work and de la hoya would win
Reply:MAYWEATHER!!! I dont know if I spelled his name right.... but the main thing is De La Hoya lost!!!!! Oh and Rocky Juarez won his fight tonight too.
Reply:Yeah! Whateva his name is won!


A radio host said "USA has more trees today than when the Mayflower landed" Is this true?

I doubt it.





How would the host back up this statement if somebody decided to challenge it?





Just because somebody is a "radio host" doesn't mean that they know what they are talking about!





Besides... there was no USA in 1620 (not even 13 colonies!)


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A radio host said "USA has more trees today than when the Mayflower landed" Is this true?
No
Reply:Thanks to Johnny Appleseed
Reply:that's a good one. if it is true, i'd like to know where these tree are.
Reply:i highly doubt it. Think about deforestation that has been done to make land for houses. You also have to think about how the number of forest fires has increased dramatically over the years
Reply:Well sure, the USA didn't exist then. And it was only 13 colonies for a long time. I bet there are more trees in all 50 states now than there were in the original 13 colonies. Of course, the size of the land mass has changed considerably....
Reply:No, because high-tech logging methods have led to extensive deforestation of large tracts of land. The only way someone could say this with a straight face, as another person wrote above, would be to stretch the definition of "USA" to "the 13 colonies" -- this is known in some circles as "taking refuge in semantics."


A radio host stated "there are more trees now than when the Mayflower landed" need source for your answers.

What's the question?

A radio host stated "there are more trees now than when the Mayflower landed" need source for your answers.
Sounds like Rush Limbaugh.





He makes up history to support his neocon agenda.





V2K1
Reply:that's completely false, it's the exact opposite


Why was the boat called the Mayflower?

Does anyone know why?

Why was the boat called the Mayflower?
They are named for the Mayflower, which transported the Pilgrim Fathers from Plymouth, England to Virginia.
Reply:Hey Chris....from someone whoes family came over in 1632:Nina Pinta and Santa Maria were a)Spanish, b)Christopher Columbus, and c)1492, not 1620





and it was named the Mayflower because


April showers bring Mayflowers


adn Mayflowers bring Pilgrims
Reply:I dont know but,all the other boats have hispanic names.. the Nina, Pinta, and the Santa Maria... Whats up with that? They were English, coming from England, with Spanish named boats?? Alls I know is I'm related too John Alden who came in on the Mayflower... And one day my youngest daughter %26amp; I were at a "Yard-Sale" browsing... well they had some books, we looked through, and lo' %26amp; behold, two of them were children's history books, so I thought I'd buy them for my daughter, because she needed to get her reading level up, a bit... Come to find out, one of these books was about a diary, of one of the little girls who road over on the Mayflower.. she even talks about John Alden and his crush he had on one of the ladies, on the boat!! We were so "Blown-Away" that we were reading about one of our deseasts family members, in a little girls diary, of thier voyage to America!!! How cool is that?!!! Smile!!!!

may

What does this quotation from the Mayflower Compact best exemplify?

"...these presents, solemnly and mutually in the pesence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politick, for our better ordering and preservation...."





a. natural rights


b. classical republicanism


c. common law

What does this quotation from the Mayflower Compact best exemplify?
The 'civil body politick' whish they are forming is a state or a republic, and they are doing it 'solemnly and mutually ', in the classical method, so it is classical republicanism.


Where did the children on the Mayflower stay when it was a rainy day?

Next to the oranges they brought to keep away scurvy.

Where did the children on the Mayflower stay when it was a rainy day?
On the poop deck.

imax theater

What personal tragedy occurred while the Mayflower was anchored off Province town Harbor?

They ran out of beer.

What personal tragedy occurred while the Mayflower was anchored off Province town Harbor?
the indians attaced
Reply:William Bradford's wife had fallen overboard and drowned
Reply:While the Mayflower was anchored off shore and before they had finished building houses on land, an illness broke out and many members of the colony died (including Oceanus, the baby boy born on the voyage).





The illness struck again during the winter. By summer, only 52 of the original colonists were alive.
Reply:William Bradford's wife died, appparently falling off the ship and drowning.
Reply:What were they doing in Province Town? Was there even a Province Town or a Harbor there then?? lol...lol..lol..


I thought they landed at Plymouth Rock........it's a 'joke', right!


What type of boat was the Mayflower?

unlimited hydroplane she beat miss Budweiser in 1978

What type of boat was the Mayflower?
The Mayflower was a small Galleon about 90 feet long. A replica is on display at the Plymouth Plantation in Massachusetts.
Reply:It was not a boat but a ship with sails and not very big at that.


There is a couple of replicas of these ships at Jamestown,VA. and an Indian village also.
Reply:It was a sailing ship, not a boat.
Reply:wood
Reply:Hm... I think it was just a big wooden Ship, What kind of answer are you looking for brand of ship lol ...?
Reply:i thought that everyone knew she was a "Caravel". built for cargo, and carrying no guns. easily manned by a small number of crew......


What are the similarities between the Mayflower Compact, Establishment of the Burgesses, and town meetings?

Need help finding where to get information. Can anyone help please?. Thank You!

What are the similarities between the Mayflower Compact, Establishment of the Burgesses, and town meetings?
Argh, U.S. history, such painful memories :(





I don't remember clearly, but it had something to do with being the foundation of the establishment of the Constitution.


My geneology goes back to the Mayflower anyone else?

I can trace my ancestry to William Bradford,the Governor of the Plymouth Colony.Any cousins out there who can go from ..Bradford to Bradford to Steele to Pomeroy to Smith and more,anyone of these?

My geneology goes back to the Mayflower anyone else?
My geneology goes back to Neanderthals, I just spotted your question while I was buying auto insurance on-line.
Reply:I'm descended from William Brewster, the religious leader on the Mayflower.
Reply:yup


me too
Reply:clan Gunn--westford knight
Reply:That's pretty good! Kudos!'





Half of mine are from Transylvania, so I'm probably related to Dracula, but I never bothered to look!
Reply:My fathers, mothers family (Church) is traced back to 1630, when they landed with John Winthrop at Plymouth Rock, from England. Church is the most common family name in England.
Reply:HAH.......Got ya all beat..mine goes all the way back to Adam...
Reply:Could you be, or be related to, the Mayflower Madame. It was a true story movie about a Mayflower descendant who ran the biggest call girl business in NYC.
Reply:Not me, my birthday is in October.
Reply:Mine goes back to before the Norman conquest.
Reply:Wow, that's really neat. I'm not your cousin or anything but we've traced our family tree back to Canada in the early 1600's. The only reason we stopped was because before that they came from France.
Reply:My Geneology goes back to the Crusades in Scotland...the Fraser Clan

ben

What was the difference between the Mayflower Compact and the House of Burgesses?

Mayflower Compact--agreement made by the Pilgrims about how they would be governed





House of Burgesses--legislative body of the colony of Virginia

What was the difference between the Mayflower Compact and the House of Burgesses?
the mayflower compact was a list of rules the pilgrims used.The house of burgesses was a voting place.


Was Captain Christopher Jones of the Mayflower bribed?

In 1620, the gossip around London was that Capt. Jones was bribed by the passengers to take a more northerly route than was planned so the ship would land outside the land held by the Virginia Company's charter. Is there any truth in this?

Was Captain Christopher Jones of the Mayflower bribed?
The Mayflower did end up off course, as the ship's original destination was further south. However, this seems to be accounted for by bad weather along the voyage. As there was only one English settlement in the Americas, the Mayflower Compact stated that their mission was " voyage to plant ye first colonie in ye Northerne parts of Virginia." They signed that once they arrived, and it seems likely they were unaware of just how far off course they had gotten and thought they had landed within the lands of the London Company.


What did people do during the mayflower compact?

bad


Where was the "WALL" when the Mayflower arrived.?

The Great one was in China

Where was the "WALL" when the Mayflower arrived.?
what wall ?
Reply:IT WAS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES


OUR GUYS DIDN'T QUALIFY
Reply:In the Mayflower Madames naughty chest!
Reply:ROFLMAO Good question! Ask the descendants of the indigenous people who were here first
Reply:when "THE WALL" is built .............. should we demolished the "STATUE OF LIBERTY"








Give me your tired, your poor,


Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,


The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,


Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed,


I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Reply:The "wall" was on the wall. *hello! get a wheelchair*
Reply:There weren't certain immigrations laws in place then. Ding!
Reply:now your just being stupid
Reply:Where are wall-less Native Americans now?
Reply:We didn't need a wall then, there was room. We need one now, there is not.





Not to mention the fact that between the drugs and the potential terrorists, it makes sense.
Reply:On shore
Reply:hadnt been recorded yet :) .............it was around england.
Reply:I don't recall there being an organized nation here to build one, but now that I think about it where are all those protests now that its election time?
Reply:i liked sunny's question better.
Reply:Are you really this dense? Really, I'm curious. Can you not see a difference between what went on before we were even the United States and what goes on in EVERY country in the world now? Can you really not understand the need for border control? Seriously? Can you not? I'm flabbergasted by the confusion on your part. I mean, do people really not think this stuff through?





I live in China. My husband is from a small, insignificant country in West Africa. I've lived in Greece. I've lived in the Czech Republic. I've traveled to many countries in Europe, North America, and Asia. I have NEVER been to a country or learned about a country that does not at least attempt to control its borders. (Even my husband's poor country that no one would want to immigrate to illegally.) It would be the height of stupidity not to. Just think for a few minutes about that concept. I mean, use logic and think with your brain, not your gut. Can you really not see why EVERY country in the world finds in necessary to try to control its borders? If you can't see why, maybe you should contact EVERY leader of EVERY country and explain in your wisdom why what they are doing is wrong.





By the way, Spain has a fence. Why aren't you up in arms about that?
Reply:The Native Americans didn't build a wall. And since the Pilgrims were citizens of Great Britain, they weren't illegals when they got here.
Reply:Juan Ponce De Leon...pilgrims came late to this movie...gripe to Spain and be historically accurate...'blame america' won't work anymore. Mexico sucks. The only way to make it un-suck is with due diligence, and a lot of shovel work, independent of the United States...
Reply:The "WALL" was a 3,000+ mile expanse called the "Atlantic Ocean".
Reply:Exactly.





Someone seems to forget the wording in the Constitution. The words written at the Statue of Liberty. Some seem to forget that it was as little as 100 years ago even that many of their ancestors came to shore and struggled for a new life.





What is the difference now? We are the greatest country in the world, though granted we are nearly the most ignorant as well. At least the Mexicans can read and write in two languages in most cases. You can't say that for a majority of our children. heck, a good majority of our own children, especially inner city and trailer park kids can't even read and write their own language.





Border control is one thing, but keeping out the people who actually want to work and do something is another. We need to be concerned about the terrorist not the busboys and the lettuce pickers.
Reply:You are aware that the people on the Mayflower were white right? We only build walls to keep ******* beaners like you out.
Reply:We didn't need a wall! WE did NOT come here illegally! We were welcomed by the indians. The illegals are HATED by 90% of americans. BIG difference!
Reply:Roger Waters %26amp; David Gilmore hadn't written it yet.


Both the album %26amp; the movie.
Reply:You are much too intelligent to ask this question.You know the correct answer but you seem to like stirring the pot to elicit the responses you get. I personally would rather see some facts and figures to back up your posts.That would impress and excite me a great deal.Instead you keep asking the race bait questions.
Reply:buuuuuuuuh terrorist potential terrorist buuuuuuuuuuuh you said illegal aliens drugs buuuuh but you smoke dope you don't care where the dope come yes why do you think the drug dealers send drugs to the us because the usa is full of dope american who likes the marijuana and the cocaine from Latin America if you have demand you have drugs that simple.
Reply:Where was the wall when SLAVERY first started in Jamestown, VA 400 years ago?

kick scooter

What Religious Book Was on the Mayflower? The Koran?

Does it matter?





The founders of this country made it very clear -- in Article VI of the Constitution -- in the 1st Amendment -- and in many other documents -- that the US is NOT founded on any particular religion, and that no one religion can be considered dominant over any other.





So, it really doesn't matter what religion any of those people chose to follow -- because in the US, people are allowed to follow any religion they choose. That's one of our core founding principles.





As for your question about Mecca -- yes, they knew where it was -- because the US Congress enacted the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797 -- which specifically set forth the good relations between the US and the followers of Islam.





Article 11 reads:





"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen [Muslim]; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."





If you would rather be in a country that has a national chosen religion -- there are plenty out there. Starting with England -- which is why we split off in the first place.

What Religious Book Was on the Mayflower? The Koran?
Sorry, but the people of the Mayflower were in fact Puritans. The religious book they used was the Geneva edition of the bible.
Reply:And you point is what, exactly?
Reply:The pilgrims were Puritans..bible yo.
Reply:The version of the Bible that the Pilgrims believed in was certainly on the Mayflower since they were fleeing religious persecution and wished to establish a colony where they could freely practice their brand of Christianity.





Jefferson studied the Koran, and some of the others may have too. They were intellectuals with a broad range of interests that included religious as well as political philosophy.





In fact, Keith Ellison, the first Muslim member of Congress, took his private ceremony oath of office on Thomas Jefferson's copy of the Koran.





http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
Reply:I am thinking it was the Deluxe Bound copy of the best years of Mad Magazine. It got passed around alot too.
Reply:The Bible of course. Early Americans used it to justify genocide of Native Americans, slavery, "Manifest Destiny," and the burning of "witches." Good thing the founders were wise enough to provide for freedom of religion in this country or their descendents may have used it to turn this country into yet another theocracy.
Reply:Wow wee look what crap we can come up with using a key board this is neat O.
Reply:Ok, what is your point here?
Reply:they knew but didn't care as it had no input or influence on our founding fathers who were incredibly wise and smart, they had much forethought on all their views.





what happened to great leaders and where did they go. is what we have now products of our current educational system...too sad.
Reply:The Bible.
Reply:Uh, No.
Reply:of course they knew where Mecca was. they were very affluent and educated men.





did you also know that the founding fathers which you mention were not on the Mayflower, nor were they protestants as you so cleverly imply?
Reply:What religious book was used at the Salem Witch Trials?
Reply:The Puritans on the Mayflower were expelled for their religious fervor, that means they were attempting to impose their beliefs on others. Sound familiar?


Really, who cares what religious book was the first European book in the New World. Oh, maybe it wasn't, weren't the Spanish here first from Europe, oh no, it was the Vikings.


What was the significance of the Mayflower Compact?

The Mayflower Compact was the first governing document of Plymouth Colony. It was drafted by the separatist pilgrims who crossed the Atlantic aboard the Mayflower. It was signed on November 11, 1620 in what is now Provincetown Harbor near Cape Cod. Having settled at Plymouth (thus named by Captain John Smith earlier), the pilgrims recognized that their land was outside the chartered territory of the London Company. Thus, the Mayflower Compact was signed to establish a civil government based upon a majoritarian model and to proclaim the settlers' allegiance to the king. The compact was referred to by John Adams as the foundation of the Constitution of the United States[citation needed], but he was speaking figuratively, not literally.

What was the significance of the Mayflower Compact?
that it was the first signs of democracy ?
Reply:it layed down the new laws that would govern the new land
Reply:Well the main significance of the Mayflower Compact was that it was the first compact ocean going conveyance the was equipped with the lasted developments in ship design. It was significantly smaller than it's traditional rivals like the full size Mayflower yet it offered comparable amenities to it larger sister ships. Advances in sail design and performance tuning gave the Mayflower Compact a better MPWP (Miles Per Wind Gust) which meant that it could traverse the large expanse of open ocean and arrive at the shores of the new world weeks ahead of it's larger contemporaries while reducing it's reliance upon large scale wind gust. With it's compact size it was also easier to maneuver at sea as well as dock in congested harbors and docks. For the economy minded settlers of the new world the Mayflower Compact offered a less expensive and economic alternative to the oceanic traveler.


What is the symbolism of the Mayflower (the ship)?

Scurvy

What is the symbolism of the Mayflower (the ship)?
The struggle for religious freedom. The Pilgrims left England, which has an established church, so that they could worship God in their own way.





An established church, in this case, the Church of England, is a state sanctioned and supported religion. It is common for people who are not members of the established church (or religion) to have to live with "civil disabilities", or constraints. Most moslem countries today have this sort of system. In Saudi Arabia, the established "church" is the wahabbi sunni sect of Islam. Christians and other non-moslems are not permitted to worship.
Reply:The "Puritans" left England b/c they were persecuted only to persecute the Native Americans.
Reply:It could symbolize mans yearn for religious freedom, but it is just a ship, after all.
Reply:We visited the Mayflower recently in Boston and listened to a lot of information on its history but there was never any mention of a symbolism of the ship


Where was the "WALL" when the Mayflower arrived?

This is such a ridiculous argument. We've discovered every continent on earth. You need to fast forward a couple hundred years and get with the times. Laws were put into place for a reason and illegals have no valid reason to break those laws.

Where was the "WALL" when the Mayflower arrived?
Are you one of these left wing nuts that support illegal immigration? Mexicans are destroying this country. I don't care what you say, they hurt the economy with medical costs and they are not good for anything.





Do you realize how much crime they cause across the border? Not only that, but alot of the land was BOUGHT from the Indians. Remember Penn? Named a state after him.
Reply:There was no wall. Now there is. What's your point? Are you saying it was okay then but hadn't been implimented, and now we should just let anyone in, because in 1492...the sailors on the Mayflower didn't need a passport?
Reply:Good Call...You were bound to get the "prat" replies to that one !. Just what are those Americans whinging for ? Technically usa aint even their country its Englands..Mind you we got foreign workers here too they HAVE taken our jobs,they HAVE ,put their kids into our schools,and they HAVE,DONE A BLOODY GOOD JOB OF IT!!.They work their arses off 24/7,and for the abuse they get the system just aint worth it,Im not a proud "English person" although i am proud to be ENGLISH (NOT British).I am mature enough to take a step back and see whats happening,The "oiks" that are criticizing,these Polish workers,are the little thugs of our wavering society who are the lazy gits,they get their girlfriends pregnant,at a seriously young age,claim benefits,inevitably get a council house(which those pols are paying for with their taxes)the cause mayhem as they cant get a job!! Im not the only one who sees this am i?..The mexicans and such in usa,DO work ,they work illegally but they do pull their weight,its the government who needs the **** kicking not the workers,how easy is it to put "Elligable to work" on a ss card rather than not??, You need a woman to run your country,( i know mrs Thatcher mucked ours up,but we got through that,)tell ya what "i`ll do it`
Reply:I think that if the natives knew what they were in for, they'd try as hard as they can to build a DOME around the country!
Reply:The Indians did not know they was in America or that they where Indians,We had to teach them everything,Now a lot are very rich,we gave them a horse and everything,then started the welfare system.and gave them fire water.The wall? yes a good idea ,that hat looks stupid are you a Indian?
Reply:whatever.. duh.....................
Reply:Have you seen this?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5EE8dNIO...





The great immigration debate..it's hilarious!
Reply:The "WALL" wasn't required when the Mayflower arrived since there were no immigration laws when the Mayflower arrived. Man ya'll are really reaching hard now. Desperate times call for desperate arguments LMAO!
Reply:A wall wasn't needed because Cortez had decimated Meso-America.
Reply:Touche!
Reply:Dude, the Mayflower arrived centuries before that album!!!!!
Reply:Apples and oranges
Reply:The Native Americans weren't racist so they had no need for them
Reply:Check out the gated and "walled-in" communities that the wealthy people live in, in MEXICO !!!





The wealthy elite in Mexico live in gated communities that insulate them from the economic misery to be found outside those WALLS!





There weren't any social welfare programs in place when the Mayflower arrived!
Reply:Archaeologists today, based on both archaeological and genetic research, believe that the Native Americans arrived in America around 12,000 years ago, in one or several waves of immigration, with the main wave coming across the land bridge in the Bering Strait during the most recent ice age. Recent genetic research has shown that Native Americans are descended from the Mongoloid peoples of central Asia and Siberia, although a few in Central and South America appear to have genetic ties with the Polynesian islands of southeast Asia.





The "WALL" had to be the one that they floated on!
Reply:At that time there were no free government services either.
Reply:yawn...
Reply:Those were legal immigrants. If they broke the law they weren't molly coddled because they didn't know our laws. They were punished as they should have been. They came on a ship, not by scurrying through the desert like rats.





My ancestors did it legally.
Reply:There wasn't any... then again, there wasn't any welfare, or medicare to sap off of either. There weren't any emergency rooms to close either - due to so many people coming in and not paying their fair share, because they are legal and didn't have insurance and could easily disappear into the woodwork and not pay for thier hospital bills.
Reply:it was the atlantic ocean
Reply:Now you're looking really desperate.
Reply:There WERE NO immigration LAWS THAT LONG, LONG, LONG AGO.





There are now!


Illegals are paying drug runners, coyotes, gangs, false id makers, etc criminals to BREAK ALL THESE LAWS.





Somehow they feel they have rights in a country NOT THEIR OWN!
Reply:Where was the wall when YOU arrived?
Reply:They didn't build one. And look what happened.


And by the way, a towel is not a hat.
Reply:Pink Floyd wasn't even born then.
Reply:I guess it wasn't needed or they'd have built it.
Reply:the same "wall" that stopped the genocide of the inca and the aztec?
Reply:I don't think Pink Floyd had released that album yet.
Reply:a minutman: "messicans are destroyin this country, they come here, with their dirty messican ways, and lou dobbs told me they get on welfare, mmm hmm. yee haw."





(best said in southern accent)

omar

What was the importance or the Mayflower Compact?

It was important because that can create a government that would benefit the colony that the settlers were settling in.


How many people were on the mayflower?

The Mayflower brought 102 people to America in a 66-day voyage.


Source(s):





Go to www.google.com- type in 'how many people were on the mayflower'

How many people were on the mayflower?
120
Reply:102


Saturday, November 14, 2009

If Jesus was born on the Mayflower would we still have both Thanksgiving and Christmas?

jesus wasnt born on the mayflower.....


wait, was he?

If Jesus was born on the Mayflower would we still have both Thanksgiving and Christmas?
jesus was also not born anywhere near Christmas.
Reply:I'm not sure how this is philosophy!?





But christmas is a pagan ritual anyways? So even if Jesus was born in another time/somewher else we'd still have christmas, because it was stolen from pagans and put around the same time as their celebration.





No one really knows when jesus was born.


Who are the family off the mayflower?

Here is the Mayflower Passenger List...





Alden, John


Allerton, Isaac


Mary (Norris) Allerton, wife


Bartholomew Allerton, son


Remember Allerton, daughter


Mary Allerton, daughter


Allerton, John


Billington, John


Eleanor Billington, wife


John Billington, son


Francis Billington, son


Bradford, William


Dorothy (May) Bradford, wife


Brewster, William


Mary Brewster, wife


Love Brewster, son


Wrestling Brewster, son


Britteridge, Richard


Browne, Peter


Button, William


Carter, Robert


Carver, John


Katherine (Leggett)(White) Carver, wife


Chilton, James


Mrs. Chilton, wife


Mary Chilton, daughter


Clarke, Richard


Cooke, Francis


John Cooke, son


Cooper, Humility


Crackstone, John


John Crackstone, son


Doty, Edward


Eaton, Francis


Sarah Eaton, wife


Samuel Eaton, son


English, Thomas


Fletcher, Moses


Fuller, Edward


Mrs. Edward Fuller, wife


Samuel Fuller, son


Fuller, Samuel


Gardinar, Richard


Goodman, John


Holbeck, William


Hooke, John


Hopkins, Stephen


Elizabeth (Fisher) Hopkins, wife


Giles Hopkins, son by first marriage


Constance Hopkins, daughter by first marriage


Damaris Hopkins, daughter


Oceanus Hopkins, born en route


Howland, John


Langmore, John


Latham, William


Leister, Edward


Margesson, Edmund


Martin, Christopher


Mary (Prower) Martin, wife


Minter, Desire


More, Ellen


Jasper More, brother


Richard More, brother


Mary More, sister


Mullins, William


Alice Mullins, wife


Priscilla Mullins, daughter


Joseph Mullins, son


Priest, Degory


Prower, Solomon


Rigsdale, John


Alice Rigsdale, wife


Rogers, Thomas


Joseph Rogers, son


Samson, Henry


Soule, George


Standish, Myles


Rose Standish, wife


Story, Elias


Thompson, Edward


Tilley, Edward


Ann (Cooper) Tilley, wife


Tilley, John


Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley, wife


Elizabeth Tilley, daughter


Tinker, Thomas


Mrs. Thomas Tinker, wife


boy Tinker, son


Trevore, William


Turner, John


boy Turner, son


boy Turner, son


Warren, Richard


White, William


Susanna White, wife


Resolved White, son


Wilder, Roger


Williams, Thomas


Winslow, Edward


Elizabeth (Barker) Winslow, wife


Winslow, Gilbert


Mr. Ely


Dorothy, maidservant of John Carver

games hardware

How might history change if the mayflower landed on jamestown?

we canoot predict history. History are facts not hipotesis.


Answer: I don't know it.

How might history change if the mayflower landed on jamestown?
Really don't think it would have changed to much..probably about the same..


What was the goal of the mayflower compact?

K....um so im doing homework and really am very bad at social studies.....help???.....

What was the goal of the mayflower compact?
the mayflower compact was a document that 41 male passenger of the Mayflower signed on nov 21, 1620. this was set out rules by which the pilgrims agreed to govern themselves. in it the signers agreed to have fair laws to protect the general good.





important note**this was one of the first attempts at self government in the english colonies.


What was the purpose of the Mayflower compact?

1. To promise to write a constitution within five years


2. To establish freedom of religion


3. To establish a new king


4. To proclaim allegiance to the king

What was the purpose of the Mayflower compact?
The answer is 4!
Reply:4.


There was no government, thus some of the colonists thought they could leave and do what they pleased. The Mayflower Compact was written as a temporary form of government until an official form came from England.
Reply:Well the ONLY one of your choices that fits is #4. But that is a VERY poor answer. Of course the document framed their whole venture as,


* "undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country" (note it is NOT just about the King and not specifically "to declare allegiance to him")





But that is NOT the specific purpose of the Compact itself. The answer to that question is found in the basic statement "we. .. do. . . ". Here is the main part. . especially that beginning with the SECOND "do":





"we. . .do. . . covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick. . .


And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Officers, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience."


http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/amerdo...





The point then was to pledge to form a GOVERNMENT to frame just laws which they all agree to follow.





Note that a key reason for all this was to keep the group TOGETHER. There was some fear that some members of the crew would wander off on their own.


Who many people were on the mayflower?

The Mayflower brought 102 people to America in a 66-day voyage.

Who many people were on the mayflower?
how about doing your own homework?
Reply:102
Reply:i dunno i wasnt there..lol;)

gert

Why do people on the mayflower make the dangerous journey?

There were primarily two reasons.





1) Religious reasons. England was becoming more and more Protestant, so prosecuted Catholics wanted to escape to the colonies.





2) Land was very scarce and peasants wanted a better life for themselves. They saw that they could become the aristocracy (over African slaves) if they moved to the 13 colonies.

Why do people on the mayflower make the dangerous journey?
The Pilgrims began as a religious group who felt that the only way to practice their religion was to separate from the Church of England.


These "Separatists" centered around Scrooby, a village in Nottinghamshire in the English Midlands.


In 1607/8, the congregation moved to Amsterdam and in 1609 to the city of Leiden in the more religiously tolerant Netherlands.


The community began to move to America in 1620.


The first four ships were the Mayflower (1620), the Fortune (1621), the Anne and the Little James (1623).


Eighteenth-century Plymoutheans frequently referred to the early colonists as "Forefathers."


The term "Pilgrims," referring to religious travelers, was not generally used to describe the early Plymouth colonists until the early 1800s, when Governor Bradford’s phrase, "they knew they were Pilgrims" began to be quoted.
Reply:To escape Religious prosecution
Reply:To escape religious persecution meaning they were driven away because of thier religious beliefs, race, etc. The same thing happened to the Mormons - that's why they live in Utah. Prosecution is legal proceedings against a defendant for criminal behavior: something that happenis in court and involves layers and such
Reply:For religious freedom, and to become protestants.
Reply:All above answers are right. However, I believe they were from Holland, not refugees from England at the time.


How many Pilgrims on the Mayflower?

All of them were.





Coach

How many Pilgrims on the Mayflower?
I think it was 163 total
Reply:i think it was 104 or 204 people
Reply:That's a bit of a trick question, actually.





According the special on the Mayflower on the History channel last week, there were 104 passengers with approximately 30 crew members.





However, not all of the passengers were church members looking for freedom was we've been told. At least half were just people from England wanting to go to the new world to escape their lives that were put on the ship by the company funding the trip as future workers.


Wats a good sentence with mayflower?

The mayflower is the official state flower of Massachuetts.

Wats a good sentence with mayflower?
The mayflower was the boat that brought pilgrims to a new land.
Reply:Did the Mayflower bring Gay power?
Reply:As the Mayflower left in 1621, people waved good-bye to their friend standing ashore in Holland. (Or wherever it was. lol.)
Reply:The pilgrims set sail in the Mayflower and arrived at Plymouth Rock
Reply:the mayflower brought the pilgrams over from europe to the new world.


Who own and operated the mayflower?

About 1607 or 1608, Christopher Jones and several business partners purchased the Mayflower. Jones was the Master and the other link talks about the crew, where it was used as a cargo ship. Later it was used to transport the Pilgrims from Plymouth, England, to Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts

Who own and operated the mayflower?
it was Queen's of Spain given to Columbus, but am not 100% sure do a more thorough search
Reply:Pilgrims maybe

ada

What was the importance of Mayflower Compact?

The Mayflower Compact was the first governing document of Plymouth Colony. It was drafted by the "Pilgrims" who crossed the Atlantic aboard the Mayflower, seeking religious freedom. It was signed on November 11, 1620 (N.S.) in what is now Provincetown Harbor near Cape Cod. The Pilgrims used the Julian Calendar which, at that time, was ten days behind the Gregorian Calendar, signing the covenant "ye .11. of November" (literal). Having landed at Plymouth (so named by Captain John Smith earlier), many of the Pilgrims aboard realized that they were in land uncharted by the London Company. For this reason the Mayflower Compact was written and adopted, based simultaneously upon a majoritarian model and the settlers' allegiance to the king. Many of the passengers knew that earlier settlements in the New World had failed due to a lack of government, and the Mayflower Compact was in essence a social contract in which the settlers consented to follow the rules and regulations of the government for the sake of survival. The government, in return, would derive its power from the consent of the governed.





The compact is often referred to as the foundation of the Constitution of the United States[1], in a figurative, not literal, way.





As a side note, the 'dread soveraigne' referred to in the document used the archaic definition of dread, meaning awe and reverence. They were implying awe and reverence for the King and not fear.

What was the importance of Mayflower Compact?
It could be considered the first United States Constitution.